Until I met Heather I had always assumed that people who talked in their sleep did little more than mumble a few indecipherable noises. I never imagined that they could speak long monologues or hold conversations, but, to my shock, I found Heather doing just that once we began to share the same bed. Heather was so conversant, in fact, that I was initially convinced that she was awake and putting me on.
“We forgot to pick up Jackie from the party,” a sleeping Heather cried out urgently one night.
I cocked my head at this – not only had there been no party that night, but her then roommate Jackie! had spent the evening at home with us.
“We forgot to pick up Jackie from the party,” Heather repeated.
“Heather, are you awake? You’re messing with me, right?”
“We forgot to pick up Jackie from the party!”
“There was no party. Now sleep.”
Heather suddenly became incredibly distressed.
“There was a party!!! And we forgot to pick her up!!! We need to pick her up!!!”
“Oh, that party,” I quickly said, improvising in hope of calming her down. “I called Bella to pick her up. She got Jackie and took her home.”
Heather, upon hearing this, slept quietly the rest of the night.
As you can imagine, these sleep talking moments were a bit unnerving, but after a while I grew used to them. They were even pretty darn funny at times. Before we got Rigby, for example, Heather had puppy fever. All she could talk about morning, noon, and night was getting a puppy, and believe it or not she even kept talking about it once she fell asleep.
“Can we get a puppy, Mike?”
“Yes, sweetie,” I replied just as I had all day long. “We’ll get one in good time.”
“We got one?!” Heather gasped with a huge smile spreading on her face. “You got me a puppy?”
“No, Heather, I said -”
Heather grabbed my arm.
“Oh, puppy,” she cried as she stroked my arm. “I love you soooo much!”
In the morning I told Heather what happened, and to this day we still joke about the “arm puppy.”
Unfortunately, Heather’s sleep talking hasn’t lead to many funny times these last couple years. Ever since Maddie passed away Heather will often talk in her sleep, and when she does I know exactly where her dreams have taken her.
“She’s dying, Mike. She’s dying!”
Tears flow from Heather’s eyes when she says this, just as tormented as she was in that hospital nearly two years ago. In these moments I want to make it better for Heather, but whereas I could tell a harmless fib years earlier about Jackie being picked up from a party, I could never say anything but the truth about what happened to our beautiful baby.
“I know she is, sweetie,” I say quietly as I rub her back. “I know she is.”
It’s so hard to know how to handle these situations when they happen.
The first couple times I woke Heather up immediately, desperate to get her out of that hospital. But doing this only woke Heather in a desperate, anguished state that she couldn’t shake for hours.
The third time I decided not to wake Heather. It was torture lying there, listening to Heather scream and cry, but after ten interminable minutes she quieted and slept. In the morning she had no idea what had happened. But the fourth time this happened not waking Heather didn’t go so well. After ten heartbreaking minutes of watching her scream and cry she woke with a gasp, and ended up spending the next few hours in an even more anguished state than she had the times I woke her.
Last weekend Heather once again went to that place in her sleep. This time I had no idea what to do. There was no making it better. So I woke her. The result was just as before. I held her and stroked her hair for the next few hours, but the whole time all I could think about was how I hated that there was no way for me to help in these situations; that I was no help at all.
It’s so hard watching Heather go through this. On that awful day almost two years ago I was at least in the room with her. Now I can only watch Heather go through it all over again, alone.
Julie says:
Oh Mike,
I’m in tears while reading this, it’s all so terrible and I’m sorry that Heather and you are going through this. There is nothing I can say that will help except to say that I’m thinking of your family.
familyigloo says:
Well said Julie. I hope you guys will overcome it over time.
Elle says:
I’m so sorry you both go through this. My thoughts are with you.
debi says:
Oh I am so sorry that the both of you are suffering in this way. It seems like at least in sleep Heather should be able to find a small bit of peace. You are both such kind and good hearted people. Keeping you both in my prayers.
katrina @ They All Call Me Mom says:
Well I didn’t see that coming…
I was all cracking up about Heather saying all those funny things in her sleep, and then all of a sudden…I was smiling no more, and my throat got tight. Your post took a turn that I certainly wasn’t expecting.
I’m sorry Heather has to dream about that awful day. I’m sorry you have to be there, standing on the outside while she goes through it. I can’t even imagine it. Heather should at least be able to have peace in her sleep. In sleep, we are supposed to be able to escape our realities…if only for a few hours.
Michelle says:
*Precisely* my reaction to Mike’s post… I am so very sorry…
jessica b says:
I had exactly the same reaction. I always think of the two of you and how it’s so wrong and unfair that you two had to go through that day… but it’s even mroe unfair that you both have to relive it like it’s happening all over again repeatedly. I’m so sorry that you both have to go through this.
Noelle says:
Love to you both.
Michelle says:
My heart broke to read this. Has Heather spoken to any of her doctors about these occurrences? It might be worth trying to see a doctor that specializes in sleep disorders as they might be able to approach this issue from another angle, but I really don’t know personally. Just thought I’d toss that out there just in case.
katherine says:
Oh, Mike… Oh, Heather… Tears…. I am so sorry…
And I know how hard it is for a guy to just sit back and watch, or just listen. Guys need to DO something, they need to fix and problem-solve. If my own guy is an indication, it seems like such an insult to a man’s self-worth, when he cannot help/protect his loved ones.
Grief is so complicated…
I know Heather is getting as much help and support as she can from her therapists.
But I hope you have some sort of support structure, too. You may not need the same things Heather needs, you may grieve differently, but you should not bear the weight of all this on your own. It’s too much for anyone, not matter how strong…
Thinking of you both and sending you love and peace…
MS says:
Well said, Katherine.
Amy S. says:
Like.
Lynnette says:
Wow. I praise you for being there for her whether you wake her or let her sleep. It has to be incredibly hard to watch the one you love go through that while also going through the grief process. And like you said, she is going through that alone when she is reliving it in her dreams. You both are so loved by so many. May you feel our love wrapped around you both, especially in the middle of nights like these. My thoughts are with you constantly and will continue to be as the anniversary of Maddie’s death approaches.
Jenny says:
I am so sorry. Grief really is a physical manifestation.
Wishing your whole family pleasant memories and sweet dreams of you Maddie Moo.
J from Ireland says:
This is heart breaking to read so I can only imagine how difficult it is for you to go through. My thoughts and prayers are with you both as always.
Tam says:
I just can’t begin to imagine. At all.
Charlene Ramirez says:
I have tears in my eyes – you are a wonderful husband – she has you to hold her and comfort her – that is all you can do right now.
Katie says:
Aw, this started off so funny (my boys talk in their sleep, too)….
it must be so difficult for the two of you — I’m glad you have each other.
Anna Marie says:
Oh Mike, this breaks my heart. I think you are there in her dream, that she is holding onto you during that nightmare, and then you are holding onto her when she wakes. You guys just keep holding onto each other as hard as you can. Hugs to you both.
kimberly says:
Oh, Mike and Heather – my heart just breaks for you. And Mike, you DO help her through it.
Stacy says:
Oh Mike… we lost my aunt very unexpectedly over 8 years ago and my mom will never be the same. While I realize this is nothing like losing a child, my dad has the same feelings you have… he can’t fix this. This is the one thing he can’t fix. All you can do is hold on to each other, the wonderful memories you have of Maddie and hold on to your beautiful Annie. Hugs to all of you.
Heather says:
Rubbing her back and waiting it out… you’re all doing the best you can, just wish things were easier for you both.
AmazingGreis says:
OMG, Mike, I’m so sorry that you both have to endure this. I wish that I could take away some of the pain. Love you both!
JoAnn says:
I have no words. I only know that the terrible pain I feel for you in reading this cannot compare to what you two have to endure. I’m so sorry.
Editdebs says:
I don’t really have anything profound or helpful, but I couldn’t just let this post go without saying something. My heart goes out to you both. Just wanted you to know that your posts and honesty are valued. Thank you.
Lacy says:
I am so so sorry. ((hugs))
Skye says:
I can’t imagine how heartbreaking this must be for both of you. I am glad you can help each other through your waking hours, but it’s awful that sleep can be so cruel. I hope the nightmares stop.
Mary says:
You’re doing what you can do, which is be there for her when she’s crying and broken…just as you still are. Dreams are supposed to be our minds’ way of dealing with things; maybe there is some small bit of help in that thought somewhere? Maybe the dreams are helping Heather work through it when she’s not consciously trying to keep it all together? Of course I don’t really know what I’m talking about; I’m a great armchair psychiatrist sometimes. But I give you and your family all of the moral support I can give.
Jamie says:
You are an amazing husband, Mike. Heather is a very lucky girl.
sarah says:
Like others, reading this has me in tears. Maybe it doesn’t feel like it to you, but what I take away from reading this is how incredibly strong you both are. It must be hard to share stories like this but thank you for doing so. Each and every blog post means more to your readers than you know.
Erica says:
Mike, I have tears pouring down my face reading your words.
I can only begin to imagine just how difficult it must be for you. But you are such a great husband and friend to Heather and you are always there for her holding her and supporting her, just as she is alwys there for you. You and Heather inspire me every day. You are both such strong people and such a great team. Your readers learn so much from you both.
Thinking of you both.
Steph says:
me, too.
mel says:
I wish I could do more. Take it away. Hugs and love to both of you. xo
Jessica Rogers says:
My heart is breaking for you both. Praying for you and Heather always. Mike, you sound like an incredible husband and just being there for her means the world to her, I’m sure. The love you both have for each other is apparent. My thoughts are with you guys.
Rachel says:
Love and peace to both of you. I am so very, very sorry Heather’s having to go through this. Mike, you’re definitely helping. I’ll be hoping for calmer nights in the future.
Brandy says:
She’s not alone, she has you and I am sure she is incredibly grateful for your presence. It may seem she doesn’t know you’re there, but she does.
LisaJ says:
I can’t not respond, even though I have no idea what to say, once again. I am so, so sorry for your loss. I cannot begin to imagine the depths of your pain. Once again, I wish so much that none of it was true.
Rebecca says:
I just wish there was something that could be done to help Heather through this so you both can get rest on those nights. **hugs**
Nikki says:
This makes me so sad and I wish there was something that I could say or do that was helpful. Or, to make none of this true.
Minnyc says:
I’m so sorry for what you both go through. I cant imagine. Thinking of your family…
PattyB says:
You aren’t doing nothing. You are doing what you can to help Heather in a terrible situation. Don’t be so hard on yourself; keep doing what you are doing. You are a fantastic husband, and Heather is extremely lucky. I am hoping and praying for you that these moments eventually end. They did for me. Lots of love and hugs to both of you.
Natalie says:
I don’t have any words of wisdom, but please know I am thinking of you and your family.
Jannette says:
My heart breaks for both of you. Praying for strength and peace for your family.
Rita says:
I hope this doesn’t upset you, because I certainly don’t know what you’re going through…but though it might feel like Heather’s alone in her dream, she’s not. You’re right there next to her, literally and figuratively, when she’s awake and asleep. As you guys have both mentioned on the blog, many partnerships don’t survive the loss of a child…but you guys are surviving. Together. You were together in the hospital when Maddie passed away and you’re together today and each night when Heather’s dreams take her back to that place. You may not be able to stop her dreams, but you’re there to hold her when they wake her, and that is so wonderful. You are both so strong and though I can only imagine what this is all like for you, I truly believe that you guys are doing great. Hang in there…keep holding each other and know that there are lots of people in the world who care about you all.
Mark says:
You said everything I wanted to say, Rita…
Megan@Truedaughter says:
Perfectly said. We are all here – praying for some measure of peace for you both. I will pray that Heather’s dreams, and yours, too, manifest as sweet visits from your Maddie Moo. I have had dream visits with loved ones, I truly believe this is one way God lets you have them back, ever so briefly. I pray that this is what comes in Heather’s dreams.
Prayers for both of you.
Liz says:
My heart hurts for you both, so much. I’m so sorry.
LaurieSL says:
Thank you for the laugh, at first. It breaks my heart that you both suffer so much in ways that I would never dreamed someone could suffer – even in your sleep and watching Heather sleep. Prayers and love to you both.
giselle says:
I’m so sorry. =( I hope that you can realize that the fact that you are still there and you two are still together is helping.
Melanie says:
Oh man! You made the tears pop out of my eyes and splash on my glasses. Did not expect to be so touched.
I am so sorry for your pain. I am so very sorry.
Penbleth says:
I’m so sorry that both of you have had to go through losing Maddie and revisiting it. So very sad. Love to you both.
mp says:
Dreams are funny things. I rarely remember mine, but when I do, I wish I didn’t. Because the strange this is, I usually dream about things that I would never in a million years do. Horrible things. Or nightmare things that never happened.
But after thirty-plus years, I’ve come to see that having these dreams are my mind’s and body’s way of working through something that is really weighing on me, usually something I fear. At the end of the day, my dreams boil down to one issue that I’ve struggled to understand my whole life: how could the world be so horrible when it is so wonderful at the same time?
I wish I had religion to make it better. I wish there was some comfort to be found in words or art, but the truth of existence is just this–you must take the bad with the good and, somehow, manage.
I do believe Heather’s dreams serve a psychological purpose, and I hope you and your family keep managing as best you can.
karen says:
Mike,
I agree with MP. Dreaming is often the mnds way of tackling an issue that you cant address when awake. Every time Heather dreams those dreams her mind is helping her to adjust. I origninally put heal but that is the wrong word but adjust doesnt feel right either!
As for not being with her, you daft man You are with her and she will feel your presence and its becasue of that her mind feels safe enough to let her dream that dream. The worst nights sleep I ever have are the nights my husband is at work. I miss his physical presence in the bed. I makes a BIG difference to your sleep to know you are with someone who loves and cares for you.
As for what to do, do what your gut tells you to do each time. There can be no better way to do it.
Megan says:
This post breaks my heart more than any other I’ve read here (and there have been many). To think that even in the respite of sleep you have to feel this anguish over and over…it’s just so beyond not fair.
The way Heather longs to save Maddie in these dreams and you long to save Heather from the pain they bring…there’s so much love there. I don’t know why love has brought you this kind of pain. You deserve so much better. You deserve your Maddie. I’m just so so sorry she’s not here.
Stephanie Branson says:
Megan said exactly what I wanted to far more eloquently than I could have. It has to be beyond awful to watch Heather suffer in a place where you cannot reach her. But you are there. And even though you cannot fix this, I do think that your presence when she wakes must be helpful. I am just so sorry for you both and all the pain you’ve had to endure and continue to feel every day.
Melissa says:
I’m so sorry. I can’t stop crying either! So unfair. I’m just so sorry. XOXO
Joie says:
That was so extremely heartbreaking to read…I cannot imagine what it is like to live it. I actually read the same line over and over “watching her scream and cry”…that gives me chills and makes me want to scream and cry for you both.
I am SO sorry…
Diane B. says:
Like LisaJ said, I can’t not respond even though I don’t know what to say. My heart is breaking (again) for the unfairness of it all. Just please know that your entire family is held in the hearts of many, many people.
Amelia says:
My heart breaks for you both. I’m so sorry.
Jess says:
I talk in my sleep too, with no memory of the conversation I apparently have with whomever has the misfortune of sharing the room with me. (And I’m going on vacation in June with some co-workers…..this will be interesting.)
In college it was my poor roommate who put up with the funny, and then the not so funny “you were talking about your family again, trouble?”
Now at home there is no one to wake me either from the nightmares. Once I was awakened by my cat frantically head-butting me, and when I woke up I was crying, my voice hoarse, I must’ve been crying out in my sleep.
I never thought of what the other person went through when the talking and the dreams weren’t the funny stuff, but the deep stuff. For me right now, it’s coming up on the anniversary of my grandma’s death and we were so incredibly close. I’m still living at home (damn you economy) and my dad told me this morning he heard me talking in my sleep to her.
Sometimes the hardest thing to do is be the outsider. You don’t know what we’re seeing. You only hear, it’s like you’re on the other side of that glass wall, you can’t get through, tell us it’ll be okay.
You know what the best thing is though? Heather knows you’re there for her, that you love her, and that you’d do anything for her. And that is the best help of all.
Karen says:
No useful words but also I can’t say nothing. Empatheticly (word?) feeling sick to my stomach. I am still so sorry for your (collective) pain and loss. Just hugs and support-from-afar.
Nina says:
I am in tears reading this. What love and loss. I’m so sorry.
Mandy says:
I was cracking up at first because I had flashbacks of my dad talking in his sleep. He is the same way. Oh the funny conversations that we have had with him while he was sleeping. Now I am in tears! My hear hurts for you! Hugs to you both!
Marie says:
My grief also comes in my dreams. But the person I am grieving is the one that is not next to me in bed anymore. I want to wake up and cannot. My suggestion is to wake Heather as soon as you hear her because to be in those dreams is awful. It is something you cannot shake for quite some time. Maybe getting her out of the dreams right away would be the best thing. I would rather be awake than dreaming those awful dreams.
And Mike you are a wonderful writer. You put that all out there for us to read and we felt it. I am so glad that you are able to do that and people are able to read it, feel it and hopefully make you both feel a little better with their comments and support.
Hugs from snowy Minnesota
Marie
Glenda says:
Sending you both hugs!
Jessica says:
((((HUGS))))
Pattie says:
This is so heartbreaking. Hugs and love from afar.
Claire says:
This made me cry. I’m so sorry. I can’t imagine how hard it is for you both reliving this over and over.
April says:
I’m sure someone’s said this already, but you are a help. You’re still there. I know you know how many couples don’t make it. You’re still a loving husband, a loving father, and the only person in the whole world who understands what she lost, because you lost her, too. You are a help by holding her, loving her.
Meg says:
I’m so glad you have one another to lean on. You’re a wonderful husband to a wonderful wife.
Jackie says:
I am so so sorry. I wish there was something we could do to turn back the clock and save your Maddy.
Pgoodness says:
Oh. You are a lot of help…you’re there, you are there. Huge hugs to both of you.
Starfruit says:
With tears in my eyes tonight, as I had two years ago reading about Maddie…you’re in my thoughts, and I’m so very sorry. You are wonderful people, friends and parents to both your daughters and doggie-baby. Know you’re thought of often..