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		<title>By: Talon</title>
		<link>http://thespohrsaremultiplying.com/heather/solitary/#comment-20990</link>
		<dc:creator>Talon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, what she&#039;s doing is completely normal.

Yes, she does have to feel this way because it is how she feels.

Do not ever criticize a grieving parent, even if you are one (as I am).  Grief is hard, hard work.  Grieving the death of your child is a lifetime of hard work, and Heather has barely set foot on the path.  I&#039;m twelve years down the path, and I can tell you though I do not know Heather personally that what she writes, how she feels and what she does is exactly what she needs to be doing.

Do not attempt to know another&#039;s pain.

And I don&#039;t care if this post is more than a month old.  Though I don&#039;t read this blog on a regular basis, I live the reality of life without my son every minute of every hour of every single day and I will continue to do so for the rest of my LIFE.

No two people grieve the same way, and the &quot;steps of grief&quot; are less like a staircase and much more like a wagon wheel, with spokes pointing out in all directions from a center piece.  You don&#039;t move through stages of grief, you stumble and fall and deal with your life and the death of your child.  Just because someone is in an anger phase now doesn&#039;t mean that if they slip back to denial that they won&#039;t head back to anger or guilt or any of the &quot;stages of grief&quot; at any time.

Do not...ever...try to tell a grieving parent what is &quot;normal&quot; and what is not.

Just...don&#039;t.  You have no idea.  And the bereaved parents of the world hope you never, ever do.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, what she&#8217;s doing is completely normal.</p>
<p>Yes, she does have to feel this way because it is how she feels.</p>
<p>Do not ever criticize a grieving parent, even if you are one (as I am).  Grief is hard, hard work.  Grieving the death of your child is a lifetime of hard work, and Heather has barely set foot on the path.  I&#8217;m twelve years down the path, and I can tell you though I do not know Heather personally that what she writes, how she feels and what she does is exactly what she needs to be doing.</p>
<p>Do not attempt to know another&#8217;s pain.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t care if this post is more than a month old.  Though I don&#8217;t read this blog on a regular basis, I live the reality of life without my son every minute of every hour of every single day and I will continue to do so for the rest of my LIFE.</p>
<p>No two people grieve the same way, and the &#8220;steps of grief&#8221; are less like a staircase and much more like a wagon wheel, with spokes pointing out in all directions from a center piece.  You don&#8217;t move through stages of grief, you stumble and fall and deal with your life and the death of your child.  Just because someone is in an anger phase now doesn&#8217;t mean that if they slip back to denial that they won&#8217;t head back to anger or guilt or any of the &#8220;stages of grief&#8221; at any time.</p>
<p>Do not&#8230;ever&#8230;try to tell a grieving parent what is &#8220;normal&#8221; and what is not.</p>
<p>Just&#8230;don&#8217;t.  You have no idea.  And the bereaved parents of the world hope you never, ever do.</p>
<p>Talon</p>
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		<title>By: Talon</title>
		<link>http://thespohrsaremultiplying.com/heather/solitary/#comment-20988</link>
		<dc:creator>Talon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading some of the comments, I also have to add this.

If you have not, do try and seek some kind of therapy.  My husband and I did straight away together and it was the best thing we ever did, because our ways of grieving were so different, having someone in a position of &quot;authority&quot; tell us it was okay was...huge.

But also because I look back at the things I wrote and said the first two-3 YEARS after Rhys died, and I am seriously amazed that I survived.  I was literally insane with grief and didn&#039;t know it.

I am not nor would I ever tell you what you are doing or how you are feeling is wrong.  It isn&#039;t.  But I am shocked that I lived like that for so long, only seeking medical intervention when I had postpartum depression after my daughter was born.

It was that bad, looking back from where I am now.

Something to consider if you have not already.  If you have, please forgive my forwardness.

All the best,
Talon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading some of the comments, I also have to add this.</p>
<p>If you have not, do try and seek some kind of therapy.  My husband and I did straight away together and it was the best thing we ever did, because our ways of grieving were so different, having someone in a position of &#8220;authority&#8221; tell us it was okay was&#8230;huge.</p>
<p>But also because I look back at the things I wrote and said the first two-3 YEARS after Rhys died, and I am seriously amazed that I survived.  I was literally insane with grief and didn&#8217;t know it.</p>
<p>I am not nor would I ever tell you what you are doing or how you are feeling is wrong.  It isn&#8217;t.  But I am shocked that I lived like that for so long, only seeking medical intervention when I had postpartum depression after my daughter was born.</p>
<p>It was that bad, looking back from where I am now.</p>
<p>Something to consider if you have not already.  If you have, please forgive my forwardness.</p>
<p>All the best,<br />
Talon</p>
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		<title>By: Talon</title>
		<link>http://thespohrsaremultiplying.com/heather/solitary/#comment-20987</link>
		<dc:creator>Talon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is an old post, and you don&#039;t know me.

But anger is something I well know.  My infant son died twelve years ago due to undiagnosed Hypoplastic Left Heart Syndrome.  He was four days old.

I still have serious anger issues.  And I&#039;ll tell you straight out that I no longer apologize for them nor make excuses for them.

You asked, &quot;Am I protecting others, or myself? I don’t really know.&quot;

The truth is both and neither.  I&#039;ll be honest, the first time I went off on someone, in a hugely public place it felt GOOD.  To this day it still feels good.  I was sick of family and friends telling me that I needed to think of other people&#039;s feelings, when no one gave a rat&#039;s ass about mine.

I regret none of my angry outbursts, attacks, retorts or thoughts.  Anger is at the very least honest and real.

Anyway.

You&#039;ve already heard this, I&#039;m sure, but I&#039;ll say what I have to say anyway.

1) The pain never gets better.  Never.  You just learn new and better tools to deal with it.  The pain will never, ever fade, diminish or go away.  Not that you want it to.

2) A wise woman once told me that the path to healing begins with the thousandth telling.  Let no one silence you.  People come to me for advice about their friends and family who have lost babies or children, and I tell them that the hardest thing to do and the most helpful and important thing to do for them is to LISTEN.  Don&#039;t talk, listen.

It&#039;s hard because it is human nature to want to fix things.  And of course, this is unfixable.

Anyway.  Your last sentence just struck me, and I thought I&#039;d give you my 25 cents worth of opinion and experience.

Best of luck to you, yours and Maddie&#039;s little brother or sister.

Talon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is an old post, and you don&#8217;t know me.</p>
<p>But anger is something I well know.  My infant son died twelve years ago due to undiagnosed Hypoplastic Left Heart Syndrome.  He was four days old.</p>
<p>I still have serious anger issues.  And I&#8217;ll tell you straight out that I no longer apologize for them nor make excuses for them.</p>
<p>You asked, &#8220;Am I protecting others, or myself? I don’t really know.&#8221;</p>
<p>The truth is both and neither.  I&#8217;ll be honest, the first time I went off on someone, in a hugely public place it felt GOOD.  To this day it still feels good.  I was sick of family and friends telling me that I needed to think of other people&#8217;s feelings, when no one gave a rat&#8217;s ass about mine.</p>
<p>I regret none of my angry outbursts, attacks, retorts or thoughts.  Anger is at the very least honest and real.</p>
<p>Anyway.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve already heard this, I&#8217;m sure, but I&#8217;ll say what I have to say anyway.</p>
<p>1) The pain never gets better.  Never.  You just learn new and better tools to deal with it.  The pain will never, ever fade, diminish or go away.  Not that you want it to.</p>
<p>2) A wise woman once told me that the path to healing begins with the thousandth telling.  Let no one silence you.  People come to me for advice about their friends and family who have lost babies or children, and I tell them that the hardest thing to do and the most helpful and important thing to do for them is to LISTEN.  Don&#8217;t talk, listen.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard because it is human nature to want to fix things.  And of course, this is unfixable.</p>
<p>Anyway.  Your last sentence just struck me, and I thought I&#8217;d give you my 25 cents worth of opinion and experience.</p>
<p>Best of luck to you, yours and Maddie&#8217;s little brother or sister.</p>
<p>Talon</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Denley</title>
		<link>http://thespohrsaremultiplying.com/heather/solitary/#comment-20751</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Denley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read through all the comments and I agree with everyone about Mike and Heather being great parents, but I&#039;m a little concerned about the people who are acting like other people deserve to loose their child more.  NO ONE (not even a meth addict) deserves to loose a child.

It doesn&#039;t matter if how old your baby is, or if you have more than one, or if you tried for ten years or the pregnancy was a &quot;surprise&quot;.......it doesn&#039;t necessarily mean you love your child any less and it doesn&#039;t make it hurt any less
.-= Sarah Denley&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://inthewarmholdofyourlovingmind.blogspot.com/2009/07/another-facebook-meme15-thingspeople.html&quot;&gt;Another Facebook Meme....15 Things/People That Have Made My Life Better&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read through all the comments and I agree with everyone about Mike and Heather being great parents, but I&#8217;m a little concerned about the people who are acting like other people deserve to loose their child more.  NO ONE (not even a meth addict) deserves to loose a child.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if how old your baby is, or if you have more than one, or if you tried for ten years or the pregnancy was a &#8220;surprise&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.it doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean you love your child any less and it doesn&#8217;t make it hurt any less<br />
.-= Sarah Denley&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://inthewarmholdofyourlovingmind.blogspot.com/2009/07/another-facebook-meme15-thingspeople.html">Another Facebook Meme&#8230;.15 Things/People That Have Made My Life Better</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah denley</title>
		<link>http://thespohrsaremultiplying.com/heather/solitary/#comment-20635</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah denley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a spare, seriously? 

i happen to be someone who just &quot;got pregnant&quot; and I don&#039;t think I love my child any less than Heather</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a spare, seriously? </p>
<p>i happen to be someone who just &#8220;got pregnant&#8221; and I don&#8217;t think I love my child any less than Heather</p>
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		<title>By: moosh in indy. &#187; what are miles when we have wireless?</title>
		<link>http://thespohrsaremultiplying.com/heather/solitary/#comment-17867</link>
		<dc:creator>moosh in indy. &#187; what are miles when we have wireless?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to giggle over your child trying to replace you with a Barbie sticker. Or ignore the fact that you&#8217;re hurting. Or deny how freakishly in common we are and oh my gosh we have to get together and eat cupcakes [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to giggle over your child trying to replace you with a Barbie sticker. Or ignore the fact that you&#8217;re hurting. Or deny how freakishly in common we are and oh my gosh we have to get together and eat cupcakes [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AnotherMom</title>
		<link>http://thespohrsaremultiplying.com/heather/solitary/#comment-17576</link>
		<dc:creator>AnotherMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t pretend to understand the loss of a child, but that feeling you expressed here? Every single day I live with it. 

My second child is autistic. All of my hopes and dreams for a normal childhood died with that diagnosis. She&#039;s beautiful, she&#039;s alive, but underneath the facade-our lives are horrible. I mourn each passing day and feel hate for parents that have &#039;normal&#039; children.

If I could let it be taken away, like you, I would. In a heartbeat. I wouldn&#039;t care where &#039;it&#039; went, as long as &#039;it&#039; was gone. All of the thoughtless and snide comments could go elsewhere. I could have my baby back. 7 years and a future lifetime of grief and mourning- gone.

You&#039;re not a bad person. These kind of thoughts are not evil, who cares what anyone else says? They can chastise forever, it wasn&#039;t their child taken away.

I feel for you and I really hope that some sort of peace comes to you. Your heart deserves it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t pretend to understand the loss of a child, but that feeling you expressed here? Every single day I live with it. </p>
<p>My second child is autistic. All of my hopes and dreams for a normal childhood died with that diagnosis. She&#8217;s beautiful, she&#8217;s alive, but underneath the facade-our lives are horrible. I mourn each passing day and feel hate for parents that have &#8216;normal&#8217; children.</p>
<p>If I could let it be taken away, like you, I would. In a heartbeat. I wouldn&#8217;t care where &#8216;it&#8217; went, as long as &#8216;it&#8217; was gone. All of the thoughtless and snide comments could go elsewhere. I could have my baby back. 7 years and a future lifetime of grief and mourning- gone.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not a bad person. These kind of thoughts are not evil, who cares what anyone else says? They can chastise forever, it wasn&#8217;t their child taken away.</p>
<p>I feel for you and I really hope that some sort of peace comes to you. Your heart deserves it.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://thespohrsaremultiplying.com/heather/solitary/#comment-17432</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do I think thank g*d it wasnt us?  Sort of. Sort of? Well I think of your family and it makes me even more grateful for what I have, and makes me treasure every minute with my family as I dont know what will happen next.  We have a saying here &quot;You might get run over by a bus&quot;, and it means that you never know what is going to happen next so make the most of every minute. 
That doesnt mean my heart doesnt go out to you and yours, it does.  It doesnt mean I&#039;m glad it was you and not me, I&#039;m just truely sorry anyone has to go through this.  My Gran lost my Dad when he was in his early 20s. I dont think she ever got over the agony of losing a child, she just learned to hold the pain to one side while the rest of the world carried on.
Everytime I read your blog my eyes become damp, or my cheeks, and I want to reach out to you and hug you.  Not out of pity, out of love.
And as for shouting and screaming and giving filthy looks, hell go for it girl!  Become that mad, grief striken woman if it&#039;s what helps you cope.  And if you shouted at or hated me because of what you have lost then that would only make me love you more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I think thank g*d it wasnt us?  Sort of. Sort of? Well I think of your family and it makes me even more grateful for what I have, and makes me treasure every minute with my family as I dont know what will happen next.  We have a saying here &#8220;You might get run over by a bus&#8221;, and it means that you never know what is going to happen next so make the most of every minute.<br />
That doesnt mean my heart doesnt go out to you and yours, it does.  It doesnt mean I&#8217;m glad it was you and not me, I&#8217;m just truely sorry anyone has to go through this.  My Gran lost my Dad when he was in his early 20s. I dont think she ever got over the agony of losing a child, she just learned to hold the pain to one side while the rest of the world carried on.<br />
Everytime I read your blog my eyes become damp, or my cheeks, and I want to reach out to you and hug you.  Not out of pity, out of love.<br />
And as for shouting and screaming and giving filthy looks, hell go for it girl!  Become that mad, grief striken woman if it&#8217;s what helps you cope.  And if you shouted at or hated me because of what you have lost then that would only make me love you more.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon Please</title>
		<link>http://thespohrsaremultiplying.com/heather/solitary/#comment-17277</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon Please</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have wrote you previously. I just wanted you to know, when I held my niece I wondered how the hell did her Mom get to keep her and you lost Maddie. Her Mom is a m**e*t*h addict and the system just lets her keep her kid.  I was angry that such a loving Mom lost her baby and such a crappy Mom kept hers. So &quot;almost&quot; every one not every one said glad it was someone else. I would never wish death on my niece but believe her being an angel would have been better then losing sweet Maddie. Why does my niece get to be in a house with abuse and drugs? Its wrong on so many levels nothing really makes sense with a loss such as Maddie&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have wrote you previously. I just wanted you to know, when I held my niece I wondered how the hell did her Mom get to keep her and you lost Maddie. Her Mom is a m**e*t*h addict and the system just lets her keep her kid.  I was angry that such a loving Mom lost her baby and such a crappy Mom kept hers. So &#8220;almost&#8221; every one not every one said glad it was someone else. I would never wish death on my niece but believe her being an angel would have been better then losing sweet Maddie. Why does my niece get to be in a house with abuse and drugs? Its wrong on so many levels nothing really makes sense with a loss such as Maddie&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Rach</title>
		<link>http://thespohrsaremultiplying.com/heather/solitary/#comment-17254</link>
		<dc:creator>Rach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow, I&#039;m guessing the people who are telling you to take up a hobby 12 weeks after your kid died either:

A. don&#039;t have children
B. aren&#039;t visiting a headstone with their kid&#039;s name on it.

Something just tells me that.

I have heard people say that it is harder to lose a child when they are small because you always wonder about the &quot;would have beens&quot;. 

This blog is an amazing tribue to Maddie, Heather. Thank you for letting us get to know her.

You are strong and resilient and your daughter is just a chip off the ol&#039; block, that much is obvious. :)
.-= Rach&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://pipsylou.blogspot.com/2009/07/way-of-things.html&quot;&gt;way of things&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow, I&#8217;m guessing the people who are telling you to take up a hobby 12 weeks after your kid died either:</p>
<p>A. don&#8217;t have children<br />
B. aren&#8217;t visiting a headstone with their kid&#8217;s name on it.</p>
<p>Something just tells me that.</p>
<p>I have heard people say that it is harder to lose a child when they are small because you always wonder about the &#8220;would have beens&#8221;. </p>
<p>This blog is an amazing tribue to Maddie, Heather. Thank you for letting us get to know her.</p>
<p>You are strong and resilient and your daughter is just a chip off the ol&#8217; block, that much is obvious. <img src='http://thespohrsaremultiplying.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
.-= Rach&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://pipsylou.blogspot.com/2009/07/way-of-things.html">way of things</a> =-.</p>
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